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Ogham Studies - Muin (Vine)

Postby Fitheach » 04 Oct 2006, 04:08

Please share your comments about the Vine!

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Muin

The intoxicating Vine,
The master of the brew.
A magic draft sublime,
Made from berries of every hue.

Fermented crop of bush and tree,
or hearty vine of fruitful field.
The sacred grape or blackberry,
Renders a divine yield.

Vine gives us inspiration,
The succor of the bard,
Or steels us with courage,
When times grow hard.
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Postby Merlyn » 04 Oct 2006, 12:40

The Vine is like time
It weaves its way
Each vine like a tangent
Reaching in and out of the past and future

Like the fabric, it becomes a blanket
Formed from strands making a cover over all it finds
Sometimes aggressive and fast
Covering the side of a home to express its festive desires

Vines bear fruit, feeding all around
Bearing the grape in the sun
They wander across all they see
Keeping them in the light

Others crawl up the trees, poison and choking
They cause skin to sore and eyes to close
Across the forest floor they can stop a passage way
Like a gate keeper they are

Predatory and wandering, festive and feeding
The vine expresses in many ways
In the old ways it finds its lore
Time's mother in a way
The Vine, like the crone, is wise.

The Vine wanders and wraps itself around the growing sapling,
Twisting the trunk as it grows
Soon the serpent like vine expresses itself as Dragon-wood
The wizard cuts it into a staff of the four elements



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Postby Keriann » 10 Oct 2006, 19:19

According to 'Auraicept':

Word Ogham of Morann Mac Main here. Tresim fedma, strongest of effort, that is muin, vine, m, with him, i.e., owing to identity of name with muin, back of man or ox, for it is they that are the strongest in existence as regards effort.

Alphabet of word-oghams of Mac ind Oic here below. Arusc n-airlig, condition of slaughter,muin a man’s back, m. Hence for its synonymous letter.

THIS IS SOW OGHAM: Group M. Litter of a white sow m

RIVER-POOL OGHAM: Muinten m

FORTRESS OGHAM: Meath

BIRD OGHAM: mintan titmouse

COLOUR OGHAM: mbracht variegated

CHURCH OGHAM:Mugna

MAN (HUMAN BEING) OGHAM: Youth for group M, one youth

WOMAN OGHAM:Maidens for group M -one maiden

AGRICULTURAL OGHAM: machad

WATER OGHAM: River for group M, one river

DOG OGHAM: Herd’s dog for group M, one herd’s dog

OX OGHAM: Bullock for group M, one bullock

COW OGHAM: Three-year-old heifer for group M, one three-year-old

BLIND MAN OGHAM: Group M to the right side.

FOOT OGHAM: Athwart the shinbone for group M.

SAINT OGHAM: Manchan

ART OGHAM: Soldiering
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Re: Ogham Studies - Muin (Vine)

Postby Serpentia » 03 Dec 2010, 09:30

Not much here on vine, is there? And I'm confused.. vine as in blackberry, as in grapevine, or any old vine? (Latin vīnea "grapevine", "vineyard", from vīnum "wine") in the broad sense refers to any climbing or trailing plant. The narrower and original meaning is the grapevine (Vitis).

Can somebody please illuminate this thicket for me?

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Re: Ogham Studies - Muin (Vine)

Postby D'Arzhur » 03 Dec 2010, 09:49

I believe it is a question of personal choice based on your intuition and experience in nature (or inner plane)...

For me Muin is the "ronce"(bramble) and its fruit "la mûre" (blackberry)... I have deeply connected with it in nature in both land where I live... It is even part of the name of my Ovate Journal :)

It is a fierce spirit which reminds you to be in the moment- if you do she might offer you one of her delighful "mûre"...if you ignore her she will prick you!
She is the only plant (I believe) which can produce at the same time, a flower, a new green berry and a mature ripe one... She is a "vine" too in the sense that you can make some very nice and strong wine from her berries...her leaves are used in herb teas often combined with her friend the stinging nettle... She can grow very long and very strong...it's nearly impossible to get rid of her roots when she is in! She protects animals like the fox and feed the deer...she grows strong and tall in a lot of other Ogam trees... She has a lot to teach about harvesting, letting go or not (!), dancing on the land etc. but that's personal ...
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Re: Ogham Studies - Muin (Vine)

Postby DaRC » 03 Dec 2010, 13:11

Yep I too struggled with the Vive (Wine) aspect until I discovered the Blackberry/Bramble meaning to te Ogham.

She's demands a price (in blood usually) for her fruits but I do love blackberry picking an her wild harvest.
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Re: Ogham Studies - Muin (Vine)

Postby Serpentia » 03 Dec 2010, 13:18

Thanks, both of you, that helps. I have now separated the two, one for Bramble (I love that word, it fits so much better to the whole plant) and for Vine (as in grapevine and other types). Bramble is closer to Hawthorn, but not nearly as unfriendly as that old fella I have such a hard time with *grin*

DaRC, my parents have a huge Bramble bush in their garden. You are welcome to join me next year in getting scratched, but the reward is wonderful!!!

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Re: Ogham Studies - Muin (Vine)

Postby Huathe » 03 Dec 2010, 17:23

Not much here on vine, is there? And I'm confused.. vine as in blackberry, as in grapevine, or any old vine? (Latin vīnea "grapevine", "vineyard", from vīnum "wine") in the broad sense refers to any climbing or trailing plant. The narrower and original meaning is the grapevine (Vitis).

Can somebody please illuminate this thicket for me?

Bramble hug, Serpentia

Serpentia,

Ask that Question on ENTS and you will get a really good answer, I am sure of that.

I define a vine as a plant, woody or vascular that cannot support itself on its own. But I know one type of tree, the Strangler Fig, that starts as a vine and envelops its host tree, killing it and then taking it's place as a fig in tree form. But vines generally require support from another plant to grow, though some grow along the ground. Woody vines are known as lianas.

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Re: Ogham Studies - Muin (Vine)

Postby Huathe » 03 Dec 2010, 17:34

The Holly and the Ivy.


The holly and the ivy,
When they are both full grown
Of all the trees that are in the wood
The holly bears the crown
O the rising of the sun
And the running of the deer
The playing of the merry organ
Sweet singing of the choir

The holly bears a blossom
As white as lily flower
And Mary bore sweet Jesus Christ
To be our sweet Saviour
O the rising of the sun
And the running of the deer
The playing of the merry organ
Sweet singing of the choir

The holly bears a berry
As red as any blood
And Mary bore sweet Jesus Christ
To do poor sinners good
O the rising of the sun
And the running of the deer
The playing of the merry organ
Sweet singing of the choir

The holly bears a prickle
As sharp as any thorn;
And Mary bore sweet Jesus Christ
On Christmas Day in the morn.
O the rising of the sun
And the running of the deer
The playing of the merry organ
Sweet singing of the choir

The holly bears a bark
As bitter as any gall;
And Mary bore sweet Jesus Christ
For to redeem us all.
O the rising of the sun
And the running of the deer
The playing of the merry organ
Sweet singing of the choir

The holly and the ivy
Now both are full well grown,
Of all the trees that are in the wood,
The holly bears the crown.
O the rising of the sun
And the running of the deer
The playing of the merry organ
Sweet singing of the choir.

http://www.carols.org.uk/the_holly_and_the_ivy.htm

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