Taliesin, Amergin, Fionn, and Jesus (similarities)

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Taliesin, Amergin, Fionn, and Jesus (similarities)

Postby David Dalton » 24 Jul 2015, 03:43

You may be interested in my Salmon on the Thorns web page http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html on which I compare some past celtic pagan figures including Taliesin (Gwion), Amergin, Fionn, Myrddin and others, and some past major nonpagan religious figures including Krishna, Moses, Buddha, and Jesus. (Some British figures might be Hu, Herne, and the Green Man?) I have elaborated on the Taliesin case on the Welsh subforum of the Celtic Studies forum. If you are just interested in the celtic figures, see the subsubpage http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/celtic.html.

I am claiming to be such a figure but after almost 19.5 years I have not yet come out of my low years, which generally lasted seven years for most past figures (including Taliesin, Amergin, Fionn, and the Buddha). I speculate that that is because lifespans are longer today and my way has been eased by modern medicines, but I hope I will come out of the low years into a period of sustained productive creativity soon.

Feel free to forward this to any scholars who might be interested in collaborating with me in this research. I am particularly interesting in finding out about any past figures who had a blue rose vision similar to mine early on Sept. 6, 1991.

David Dalton
St. John's, Newfoundland
(but I am from Lake View, on the Avalon Peninsula)

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Re: Taliesin, Amergin, Fionn, and Jesus (similarities)

Postby MountainGnome » 27 Jul 2015, 20:33

There are old books detailing a lot of this information that don't get talked about much anymore.

A couple of these are Pagan Christs and Pagan and Christian Creeds. These are both over 100 years old and are in public domain.

Pagan Christs: http://sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/pch/index.htm
Pagan and Christian Creeds: Their Origin and Meaning by Edward Carpenter: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1561

I also have a thread here about information I found in a French book: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=44410
So just to recap, we have an ancient Celtic god, which is both a unity and trinity at the same time (like the doctrine of the Trinity in Christianity), and when this god incarnates into a human form, he is sometimes known as Hésus (not only eerily similar to the name "Jesus" but also pronounced exactly as the name Jesus is in Spanish today).

This is an area I'm also looking into. All of these ancient deities seem to have an origin in astrological lore, keeping track of the Sun's position in the sky throughout the year, interwoven here and there with bits and pieces of other ancient lore and traditions.

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Re: Taliesin, Amergin, Fionn, and Jesus (similarities)

Postby David Dalton » 29 Jul 2015, 04:01

Thanks bsbray, I have bookmarked the two books you referenced for future perusal.


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Re: Taliesin, Amergin, Fionn, and Jesus (similarities)

Postby David Dalton » 29 Jul 2015, 04:39

The parallel to the crucifixion in my story is my naked thorn hill climb.

The second book you list has the following quote:

(2) See Kingsborough's Mexican Antiquities, vol. vi, p. 176,
where it is said "an ambassador was sent from heaven on an embassy to a
Virgin of Tulan, called Chimalman... announcing that it was the will
of the God that she should conceive a son; and having delivered her the
message he rose and left the house; and as soon as he had left it
she conceived a son, without connection with man, who was called
Quetzalcoat, who they say is the god of air." Further, it is explained
that Quetzalcoatl sacrificed himself, drawing forth his own blood with
thorns; and that the word Quetzalcoatlotopitzin means "our well-beloved

So Quetzalcoatl seems to have undergone a naked thorn hill climb as
well, and I will add the above quote to the Quetzalcoatl section of
the native parallels section of my Salmon on the Thorns web page
when I next edit it, which might be tonight since I am waiting for
some laundry to dry and have time to kill.

Also, regarding my blue rose vision, the first poem in The Book of Taliesin
refers to "the mountain of roses". (I think in the surviving manuscript
the first page of that poem is missing.)

And Taliesin's being born in a leather coracle might really be his rebirth
in his first manic episode, which in ancient times might have been
treated by placing him in sensory deprivation inside a cowhide, and
in my case was treated by a stay on a mental health ward and some


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