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remembering ogham

Postby reilz81 » 16 Feb 2011, 06:05

hi i was wondering if anyone has any hints or tips in regards to remembering each ogham and what it means seems everytime i need to use it i have to look up how to do it am quite new to ogham though so it may just be that i need practice

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Re: remembering ogham

Postby wolf560 » 19 Feb 2011, 14:57

Hello

Here is my "cheat sheet", there is a LOT more to the Ogham than just these definitions....

I will be covering this in the September Forum but consider this a "free preview".
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KDPcX ... yUAjA=s512
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Re: remembering ogham

Postby wolf560 » 19 Feb 2011, 14:59

Keep the sheet handy and concentrate on just the words
Remembering one Aicme at a time might be best


No really easy way to do this, but here is my hint to my students;
Three words
Say it
Write it
Read it

...and eventually it becomes yours forever
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Re: remembering ogham

Postby Rebecca » 19 Feb 2011, 18:30

Hello

Here is my "cheat sheet", there is a LOT more to the Ogham than just these definitions....

I will be covering this in the September Forum but consider this a "free preview".
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B8MJL9 ... MDRj&hl=en
Google tells me that this page is unavailable.

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Re: remembering ogham

Postby wolf560 » 19 Feb 2011, 18:44

Sorry about that....
wrong URL (the one I gave was for my personal use evidently)

Try this link https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KDPcX ... yUAjA=s512 or use this pic below

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Re: remembering ogham

Postby DaRC » 21 Feb 2011, 11:25

Ot write a poem about them, I did explore their meanings as well:
Ogham Grove
The Ogham Grove has spokes in the breeze;
Silver Birch the beginnings of a wood,
Quickbeam the protector of the spirit,
Alder the king of the water,
Willow the fierce ball striker,
Ash the straight spear of knowledge,
Hawthorn the pure flower of the May,
Oak the bright stoker of fire,
Holly the strong chain of charcoal,
Hazel the wise nut of the coppice,
Apple the beautiful life sustainer,
Vine the Torc wearing bringer of honesty,
Ivy the sweet hunger for the spiral of life,
Reeds are the tied pipers on the road to health,
Blackthorn the purple batterer of spirit,
Elder the crone of the red rash,
Pine the sweet parent of amber spit,
Gorse the golden nurturer of all,
Heather the white healer of luck,
Poplar the quaking rower of friendship,
Yew the bowed burner of life and death,
Elfwort the harsh cleanser of breathe,
Spindle the furious worker of weave,
Woodbine the honey strong suckler of truth
Beech the learned writer of lore and
within this circle there seemed such peace.
Fundamentally I found that repetition worked - by remembering their hands
Beith, Huatha, Muin, Ailm, Éabhadh - thumb
Luis, Duir, Gort, Ohn, Oir - forefinger
Fearn, Tinne, Ngetal, Ur, Uillean- middle finger (I go BLF not BLN)
Saille, Coll, Straif, Eadha, Eamhancholl - ring finger
Nuin, Quert, Ruis, Ioho, Koad - little finger
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most sweet the sight of the sun;
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Re: remembering ogham

Postby Explorer » 21 Feb 2011, 13:23

Ogham is not "just another divination tool" if you use it in the (neo)druid sense. It also provides a link to the natural world. (historically it is utter nonsense, made up by Robert Graves I believe, but that doesn't matter). So you could make each ogham-tree a sort of a quest. Go into the forest (or city park, or garden) to find them all, somehow including the ogham meanings in your little quests. And what you will discover on those quests will go a lot further than just those meanings.

It takes an efford, and that is the whole idea, if you are willing to spend so much time/energy to explore this link with the natural world, then one of the rewards will be the simple fact that you have done that. Another reward is that through that knowledge and experience you get a real sense of bonding with your land, it is quite special to know where to find which trees. And especially in winter, when they are hard to recognize, if you then still remember which tree was which (and you will) then it feels like you have some hidden knowledge of the land based on the mysteries. And guess what, that is exactly what it is ;-).

And you learn a lot aobut about yourself, about how you observe and think. Perhaps even about how serious you take druidry, or how lazy you are, which excuses you use to not go outside. Or how your memory works. (I was quite surprised that afterward I remembered every location of every specific trees without a problem, almost like our brains are wired to remember that sort of information).
And believe me, you will remember.

You could also just read a book ofcourse, but it seems to me that you miss the point then.
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Re: remembering ogham

Postby wolf560 » 22 Feb 2011, 03:04

The Ogham is a memory tool, now just as it probably was when it was written down in the Auraicept na e'Ces.

The different Oghams (Kings, Mountains, Rivers, Fish, Animals) were likely all just mnemonics written in a language they understood in its original time frame.
The first four Aicme were supposedly used as divination tools/ symbols
The fifth Aicme (otherwise known as the Forfeda) was added later to account for the new dipthongs coming into play.
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Re: remembering ogham

Postby dmiley » 27 Feb 2011, 15:00

Ogam (old Irish) was not made up by Robert Graves. Graves has a particular viewpoint about the letters, which is not where current scholarship is heading. Ogam was used primarily for land and grave markers very early in the history of the Irish language. It was maintained as a teaching tool, but the actual reason for its use as a teaching tool is not known. There are lots of different variations in how it is expressed in written form, with some letters in the forfeda (the last 5 of the alphabet) being reversed in different expressions. To the best of my knowledge there are no texts written in ogam - only the alphabets.

OBOD has chosen to use Colin Murray's approach to ogam which is represented in the stickies on this folder. Murray used traditional tree associations and added additional ones. It does track with the Robert Graves approach and many people have found value in its use. A more scholarly approach that can be equally satisfying is represented by Erynn Rowan Laurie's Ogam: Weaving Word Wisdom. Laurie works closely with the traditional ogam kennings out of the Auraicept na e'Ces and adds the full range of potential tree and color associations, while making up planetary links. The kennings are very different than the Murray interpretations, so be warned! As a side not Philip C-G wrote a positive review of Erynn's book.

I find that the full context of the letters is most valuable for me. For the most part, I use Erynn's kennings based approach as it seems more solidly based in tradition which gives me a greater feeling of assurance that I'm doing good work.

As for remembering the letters, the easiest way to remember the letters, whatever system you're working, is to use them daily. Daily divination, even if it is to pull just one letter, will weave them into your consciousness. Creating your own set, one letter per day and fully studying each letter as you make it supports this work. If you follow Erynn's book, you may also be led to use the letters for spellwork as they each have their own energy. This can be especially useful for folks who are led towards the healing arts.

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Re: remembering ogham

Postby reilz81 » 25 Mar 2011, 05:03

wow thanks so much very helpful

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Re: remembering ogham

Postby Oakapple » 25 Mar 2011, 06:45

To help me remember the Ogham I am working on a wallhanging, each square will contain a card with the tree's qualities, folklore etc.
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Re: remembering ogham

Postby corkmole » 10 May 2011, 23:26

To help me remember the Ogham I am working on a wallhanging, each square will contain a card with the tree's qualities, folklore etc.
Must get myself something like that, as I find it diffecult to remember the letters myself...

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Re: remembering ogham

Postby ebhadh » 29 Jun 2011, 11:11

The way I found worked best for me to remember the ogam was, essentially, repeated practise!

I started out with the intention to collect a full set of twig samples of every ogam - this actually took much longer than expected, but I gained considerable insight by doing this and learned a lot by having to identify and recognise the trees and work with their energies. There is a small book, by Glennie Kindred, The Tree Ogham, which I found helpful on how to do this. I also kept a written record of the date of collection and where I found the tree. This came in especially useful later on when I was doing my review.

The whole project became so interesting to me that I decided to make it my ovate project and wrote about it, also making up a two-line rhyme for each, e.g.
'Oak, doorway to mysteries
Guardian of histories'

'Fertile heather, to bees most appealing,
Earth linking Spirit, love's passion with healing'

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Re: remembering ogham

Postby OakWyse » 28 Sep 2012, 21:07

I use this poem I wrote as both memory tool and charm

OakWyse Utters an Ogham Charm

Beginning of Birch to lead the way,
Magic of Rowan this Charm to say,
Protection of Alder in the deep,
Passage of Willow in dream of sleep,
Integration of Ash between the worlds;
And so this Ogham Charm unfurls.

Chastity of Hawthorn purging well,
Door of Oak where many dwell,
Balance of Holly in battle strong,
Wisdom of Hazel, Salmon-song,
Apple’s Choice abundance brings,
As this Charm of Ogham sings.

Intuition gives the Vine,
While Ivy’s Spirals intertwine,
Cleansing Broom sweeps spirits clean,
For Fate of Blackthorn to be seen,
Renewal of Elder turns aside
All that may with death abide.

Vision of Fir is true and tall,
And Gorse now sweetly Gathers all;
Healing Heather, grounding fast,
Aspen warding, Shields at last;
Yew Eternity portends,
Though this Charm of Ogham ends.

Community of Grove instructs all hearts,
Delight of Spindle insight imparts;
Secret of Honeysuckle guards the way,
Where ancient Knowledge of Beech holds sway;
As Vast and endless as the Sea,
The power of this Charm shall be.

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