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Handling a Staff .(letting others handle your staff)

Postby Petrichor » 06 Jan 2006, 09:17

How should one handle this hypothetical situation ...............

You go to a group Ceremony ( taking your treasured Staff ) - someone there admires it & wishes to hold it for closer inspection .

You are not sure if you should pass the Staff over as you do not wish the enrgies to be affected by the other person ........... but you also do not wish to offend as you consider that it has been a privilege to be invited to join the group ?

What would members do in this situation & what are people's thoughts on Keeping Staffs , Wands for private handling only ?

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Postby Wraithian » 06 Jan 2006, 10:30

I, personally, only allow friends who I know to handle any of my ritual gear. Though, so as long as a person asks with respect to me and the tool, I wouldn't have a problem handing it over. After all, my tool's connection to me is stronger than a brief handling by another person. Though, I do cleanse my stuff as soon as possible afterward. :)
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Postby Dair Ciúin » 06 Jan 2006, 11:20

I prefer to avoid having my ritual gear handled by anybody other than myself, or at the very most, only handled by those who I can trust. My reason for this is simply to keep the tools attuned to myself, and not become unbalanced through the energy of others. But, if they do happen to get handled by other people (which is sometimes unavoidable), the tools can be cleansed and charged as required.

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Postby GreenOak51 » 06 Jan 2006, 22:52

Hi, Zimran

Which bothers you more ... having someone handle your staff or offending them? If you really don't want to offend and you give them permission, a cleansing asap is the solution.

However, if you really don't want to let strangers hold your staff, you could say:

"As it's part of my ritual gear, I'd rather others didn't hold it but I'm flattered that you like it. Did you notice ...?" and then point to something on the staff that you really like, holding it yourself but close enough that the other can see what you're speaking of. This way if any offense has been taken, you've taken the sting out of it. You've also shown that you're open to sharing it, simply not by touch.

IMO, anyone who is use to ritual and ceremony understands the sacredness of ritual things and wouldn't be offended at all that you don't want others handling your things.

I hope this helps.

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Postby Petrichor » 07 Jan 2006, 02:45

Wraithian - Dair Ciuin - Thailand ..............

Thank you for your excellent thoughts .

What then are your ideas / methods regarding cleansing Staffs / Wands , that have been handled by others ?

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Postby Donata » 07 Jan 2006, 15:43

I like to use the four elements - salt/herbs (earth) and water for cleansing, and incense (air and fire) for consecrating. I mix some salt or herbs into the water, blessing them, and sprinkle it on the staff or other object I'm cleansing. Then I smudge with the incense and bless/consecrate the staff or other object. I personally favor sage for smudging.

Of course, all that's you really need is your own intention. You can hold your staff, breathe onto it if you wish, and hold the intention that it is cleansed. Repeat to consecrate it.

I'm not paranoid (as in other energy is harmful) about other's energy on my tools but I definitely prefer just my own, so that the energies aren't mixed. Any tool is an extension of myself and my own energy, so I want to keep it just mine. I do my best to avoid having anyone handle them.

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Postby Tynan Elder Oak » 13 Feb 2006, 13:25

Hi, I'm interested in the views expresssed.  I have always tried t o avoid having others handle my staff, and felt it was just me being 'precious'.  That is until one day I went with a very dear freind to get his staff.  It was taken from a 1000 year old oak, I mean just think the tree was a sapling in relative terms in 1066!  It was just growing up when Elizabeth I was on  the throne...anyway I digress.  He took the staff in his hand, and woke it.  I watched utterly fascinated as a thin tendril of... well a mixture between water and smoke in appearance, obviously energetic in manifestation, writhed up around the staff and then went straight towards his sternum. (Heart chakra?)  Well, from then on, I felt I had a tangible example of the connection I always felt with my staff, and although it can't always be avoided, do try to protect that connection.

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Postby forestsalmon » 27 May 2006, 20:54

hi, a newe voice here.  in our tradition you can always add a layer of protection before handing your staff over.  just as you would do a cleansing, you can input a protective energy.  if your hands are big enough, wrap your fingers around the shaft, touching your middle finger to your thumb, then 'sweep' one hand off one end of the staff and 'palm' the butt end to seal it, then the other hand off the other end and palm seal it again.  touch the staff to the ground to fire it and you can comfortably hand your staff over to a guest handler.  this seals the staff in an energetic 'cling wrap'.  you can then do a cleansing when it comes back to you, but it's now only very shallow because it was wearing a coat of arms whiile away from you.  best, ~sal

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Postby Traveller » 28 May 2006, 17:08

well, i have a question about staffs, where did you all get them?

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Postby Donata » 28 May 2006, 17:49

I found my first one. My special craft staff was a small fruit tree that had been shaped by the creator, and was for sale at a pagan festival. He told me it had been in a Catholic priest's garden, and had asked to be taken. It called to me, and when I held it it felt so right that I bought it .

That night my new staff and I danced at the bonfire. It danced me! Several people commented on that the next day. It loves the fires!

Since then I"ve added decorations of crystals and feathers to the staff - always with its approval Once I added a beautiful feather necklace and very clearly heard the staff demand, "Take that off me! it's like a collar!" Of course I did!

I've found walking staffs since, and was gifted a special one by a Druid friend at an OBOD gathering a few years ago.

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Postby Jingle » 28 May 2006, 23:58

I found, or rather my daughter found my staff on a trail we were hiking.  It is a piece of birch that still has some bark around the bottom. I secured the bark with some leather strapping so it doesn't fall off.  Now I am sanding it and will oil it and decorate it as I am moved to do so.  I dedicated my staff at our grove ritual for Beltane.  I dedicated it to my journey, expecting that it will change as I do.  As I am still rough and new, so is it.  As I become more in tune spiritually, so my staff becomes more refined.  It is a reflection of me.  It is not finished.  I expect that it will never be.
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Postby Miranda » 29 May 2006, 02:29

It doen't really bother me if other people want to touch or hold any of my ritual gear (I don't have a whole lot yet!). I feel that if they put any of their energy into it, I can always cleanse it. I have this awsome crystal wand that my step-dad and mom got for me for xmas when I was 11. It has a pewter dragon and a red ball on one end and a crystal with some decorative stones on it, I love it! One day, this guy I knew from the coven I associated with asked if I minded if he held it, this guy was a real weirdo I found out a couple of months later but no damage was done to my wand. That's just me though!


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Postby forestsalmon » 29 May 2006, 04:22

the one i have now washed up as driftwood in the creek.  others i've had before have come and gone, not the right one i guess, likely because i 'selected' it.  this one was delivered to me.  so far so good ;-)

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Postby Wren MacDonald » 02 Jun 2006, 07:27

Since then I"ve added decorations of crystals and feathers to the staff - always with its approval Once I added a beautiful feather necklace and very clearly heard the staff demand, "Take that off me! it's like a collar!" Of course I did!
A few years ago I tried adding some decorations to my staff and he didn't like them at all.  Of course, I didn't realize it at first.  He broke them all off instead!

So now I will ask first if I ever try and give my staff any kind of extra decorations again!

That is the same thing that used to happen to me with necklaces... my throat chakra refuses to be closed in behind a short necklace.  Every necklace, no matter what it's been made out of, even metal, if it was in the way of my throat chakra, broke.  It took me years to realize this.  Now the  only necklace I wear is a Brighid medallion, and she is on a long string and never comes off!   :D


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Postby Tynan Elder Oak » 02 Jun 2006, 11:07

That used to happen to me with a certain ring I would wear.  I had a beautiful amber ring, which I would wear on my power hand but I had it repaired 16 times before I remembered that amber was also called electron, and that it was storing the enery from my hand and getting over nergised!!! it would snap with a sharp pain in my finger, and once I even thought my friend had thrown something at me it was so powerful.  In the end it quite litterally dispeared.  I was sitting having a cold drink in the garden with a friend  and fiddling with teh ring as it was hurting my finger, wehn my friend suddenly said where is the ring?  We looked everywhere, of course we couldn't find it.  It takes a lot to get through sometimes...but the wierdest thing was when my moonstopne ring disapperared.  It was gone for about a month, I had been ill so I hadn't been out socialising or anything, when I recieved a phone call from a very close friend whom I hadn't seen for about three months.   She had been out of the country doing a motorcycle charity ride through India.  She was very agitated and disturbed, becasue she had found my ring, deep ion her freezer on top of the broccoli.  We tried so hard to think on how logically it could have got there, but I hadn't been round, never go in her freezer and she had been abroad!!

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Postby Petrichor » 02 Jun 2006, 11:29

I can relate to this ..........

I can't wear watches - they break - go out of time - stop working or simply fall off my wrist ............

I prefer to work by Earth time anyway .

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Postby Wren MacDonald » 04 Jun 2006, 09:09

I can relate to this ..........

I can't wear watches - they break - go out of time - stop working or simply fall off my wrist ............

I prefer to work by Earth time anyway .

Blessings ,

Aracos .
All my watches go dead or off on time too, even with a brand new battery!  Personally I am ALWAYS off on time; I have no concept of minutes.  Which doesn't bug me at all but it sure bugs the heck out of my employers...   :D


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Postby Whiskerwind » 26 Jun 2006, 03:56

well, i have a question about staffs, where did you all get them?
After doing a ritual on the beach just last August,  I walked to the edge of the shore. Looking at the beauty of the water, listening to the rhythmic sounds of the waves and still full of the energy of the magical ritual, I felt quite connected and at one with the earth, sea and sky. For some reason I turned my back to the view and saw before me, in amidst the seaweed a white object glowing. I knew what it was immediately. I felt it jumping horizontally into my two hands, though it did not in the physical world. I stepped forward as I was directly in front of its center and grasped it with both hands and was totally amazed. I have been looking for a wizards staff for at least 20 years, and here it was in my hands. A gift from the sea, from Mannannan. I always wanted a staff that came from a single tree but never had the heart to uproot one and didn't really like the idea of using a branch. In the evenings light the top of it resembled a Dragons Head, and I was quite surprised that it was white. I really don't know if that is symbolic or not, but I think it is.
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Postby Lora » 26 Jun 2006, 12:40

I have a staff made from holly wood which I got fairly locally, on a very steep hill where there is a Bronze Age barrow.  Several holly  branches had been cut up there - as many were straight they may have been young trees cleared.  This particular piece was not the most obvious, for it had been hanging around in a damp spot a while longer than some others and the bark was rotting.   I kept coming back to it, though, and in the end I took it home.  I've barely done anything to it - simply removed the bark and sanded it very lightly (the rotting had made for an interesting effect).  There's a long crack in one part of it, but it doesn't matter - what matters is that it felt like the right one, even though there were others that looked stronger/in better condition.

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Postby OakWyse » 01 Aug 2006, 02:41

I have no problem with others handling my staff - made from white oak.  It has no problem coming in contact with humanity.  In my view, the more people who come in contact with it, the stronger it is - for we are all in this life together.  I would never dream of "cleansing" my staff after a fellow human being had handled it.

But that's just me.

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