Should druids travel by plane?

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Should druids travel by plane?

Post by Dru* » 26 Apr 2019, 20:53

Badgerheart wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 13:39
If we should try and eliminate certain harmful practices, I think "should Druids travel by plane?" is a more relevant question to ask.
Badgerheart does ask a very important question and one that certainly deserves its own thread. With the summer gathering coming up, druids will be getting on planes from all around the world to come to Glastonbury (I've heard significant grumblings on that subject recently).

And it's hard to argue against the premise that, as earth-loving souls, we should seek to limit the damage we do to the beautiful world that nurtures us. And yet my personal decision to fly or not doesn't stop the plane taking off, burning fuel and dumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Even if I managed to reduce my personal carbon emissions to zero over my lifetime, I'd only shave milliseconds off the coming eco-apocalypse.

So this can't be all up to me or you. So what to do instead? Glue myself to a DLR train or sit in a pink boat in Oxford Circus? Shout at the government to change? Support companies who take try to improve their environmental record? Blow up power stations? Or retreat from civilisation to high ground where the sea level rises won't reach me, and stockpile canned goods?

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Re: Should druids travel by plane?

Post by Badgerheart » 26 Apr 2019, 23:40

Thank you for picking up my comment! I think you are asking good questions. I have been thinking about those for a number of years without really finding a good answer. I think it's especially hard when it comes to traveling - I love to travel, and I'm sure going to other countries has been important for my awareness of the world and its environment. Still, we know that the current volume of mass travel is not sustainable.

My starting point is that consumers are not as powerful as we are told. We cannot save the world by buying the right products. In order to change society with intention, collective, political action is needed.

That being said, this is not an excuse for not taking responsibility for our personal actions. In our current age of mass consumption, this also matters. Especially when there are seven billion of us (and that number will probably peak at 10-11 billion in my lifetime).

It's easy to feel overwhelmed by all of this, and even more easy to think that is does not matter anyway, so why bother?

I think one of a good perspective on this comes from the witch and activist Starhawk, who wrote: “We can make personal choices that reduce the greenhouse gases we each produce. It’s important that we do this not out of a sense of guilty or resentful obligation, but as an affirmative choice to more deeply integrate our values and our everyday actions.”

I have started to think about it like that. I wish to live in a world where people live within the limits of the ecosystem, therefore I will myself try to modify my behaviour in that respect. I will probably not be all successful - many factors are beyond my control as an individual. But some are not. And by starting with those, I am becoming more like the person I want to be.

(I still travel by plane sometimes. But I am trying to limit it, both personal and work-related. And I am learning something about the pleasures of slow travel.)

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Re: Should druids travel by plane?

Post by Corbiniane » 27 Apr 2019, 09:44

I've found that I don't have a deep desire to fly to Hawaii or Bali or India, but visiting the British Isles is very much on my bucket list. Going on holiday generally is proving too expensive for our family of four, so my carbon footprint in that regard is excellent.... but not making up for my mom's excessive travelling, not to mention what the rest of the world is doing. Having a private plane to fly to meetings? Flying to New York for a weekend of shopping? ? In today's climate (pun very much intended)!!?? Should be banned outlawed fined, together with gravelling your front lawn.
Just read in the paper that the number of passenger flights has gone up another...what was it?... three or four percent. Frankfurt Airport's new runway will have planes taking off all over my neighbourhood. Meanwhile, the last of our bits of wood will be razed to make way for another railway track, so the city can be connected to the fast ICE train system too. Yay.
Communities all over the landscape have been squabbling and trying to pass those buckets (who gets the tracks? Who gets the planes?) for years and years now.
And here I am, getting flak from all sides because I let my 9 year old daughter ride the bike to school, alone.
I'm going back to bed now.
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Re: Should druids travel by plane?

Post by Runefang » 27 Apr 2019, 11:14

At last a valid argument for me to justify staying at home. :)

To fly or not to fly, depends upon how much you do it I suppose. Some countries are so large that they have to go by air if it’s any distance, the time taken otherwise would be cost prohibitive in the business world, but the voluntary holiday flights etc. Well do you really need to go abroad five times a year just because you can?(UK perspective here where the world is divided into the British and the foreigners.)
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Re: Should druids travel by plane?

Post by Corbiniane » 27 Apr 2019, 11:46

Well do you really need to go abroad five times a year just because you can?(UK perspective here where the world is divided into the British and the foreigners.)
You British are never far from the sea (which might or will turn into a disadvantage of course) and the sea is more or less why I travel. Unfortunately it's 600 km to the North or Baltic Sea and 1000 km to the Mediterranean or Atlantic from here. So every few (four? five?) Years we pack up the caravan .....
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Re: Should druids travel by plane?

Post by Elfie » 27 Apr 2019, 16:37

Hi, my personal opinion is flying is a choice not a necessity whether it be for work or holiday. There is surely enough things to do and see for holidays in a reasonable area, if we are passionate enough about our planet we could work closer to home or use alternate transport and most importantly adapt the way we live to accommodate this. I know it sounds simple but is that not what we should be aiming for, a simpler way of living, back to basics.

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Re: Should druids travel by plane?

Post by Heddwen » 27 Apr 2019, 18:12

Elfie wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 16:37
Hi, my personal opinion is flying is a choice not a necessity whether it be for work or holiday. There is surely enough things to do and see for holidays in a reasonable area, if we are passionate enough about our planet we could work closer to home or use alternate transport and most importantly adapt the way we live to accommodate this. I know it sounds simple but is that not what we should be aiming for, a simpler way of living, back to basics.
Hello Elfie,

I noticed that you have no Bardic Grade underneath your name here and just wondered if you have registered? If not, then please take a look at this thread... viewtopic.php?f=345&t=47704 If you could let me know then that is grand. :)

Cheerio,

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