Raven in Cornish?
Posted: 25 Jul 2009, 19:41
How do you say Raven in Cornish? I read somewhere it's VRAN, but I wanted to check with you all. I know that the symbol of Cornwall is a cousin of Raven, the Cornish Chough - Palores in Cornish.
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Interesting question, Fitheach. I found this site, Celtic Male Names of Cornwall which is interesting in itself.Fitheach wrote:Thank you, Dreamguardian. Interestingly, Bran is a universal Celtic word for Raven. It's old Gaelic for Raven, as well!
The Following defination is taken from The Lexicon Cornu-Britannicum: A DICTIONARY OF THE ANCIENT CELTIC LANGUAGE OF CORNWALL 1865 which has been digitized:Branwalather — (bran-wa-LATH-uhr) from Cornish bran "raven" + walather "leader". A saint and son of a Cornish king named Kenen.
And there is a relationship with Raven and Servant. So, perhaps Raven is Brán was. ANd, there is no 'erás' in this lexicon."WAS, s. m. A servant, a fellow. An cuth was gof, the old smith fellow. P.C. 1695. Ty a'n guysk avel cauch was, thou strikest like a coward. P.C. 2103. Tywan, dm gynen yn mes a dhcsempys, thou fellow, come with us out immediately. R.D. 1827. A mutation of gwas, qd. v."
BRAN, s. f. A crow. PI. bryny. Bran was, a raven,
i.e. a great crow, called also marchvran. Bran dre, a
town crow. Gallas an glaw dhe ves gwldn, ha'n dour
my a gres basseys ; da yw yn mes dyllo bran, mars es dor
sech war an beys, the rain is clean gone away, and the
water, I believe, abated ; it is well to send out a crow,
if it be dry ground over the world. O. M. 1099. Does
ny vynnas an vrdn vrds, neb carryn hya gafas, the raven
would not return, some carrion she has found. C.W.
178. Hos, payon, colom, grugyer, bargos, bryny, ha'n er,
moy dredhofa vydh hymvys, duck, peacock, pigeon, par-
tridge, kite, crows, and the eagle further by me are
named. O.M. 133. W. bran, pi. brain. Arm. bran,
pl. brini. Ir. bran. Gael. bran. Slav, vran, wran.
It must be vras, but indeed it is difficult to see. But I want to thank you for that link!Kernos wrote:I think you are right ennys. The letters between Bran and the comma are not very distinct, But, it is could be vras was or eras; marchvran is below.